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If you go with the 3-ways build kicks for the mid and tweet do not spread around the car as you suggested , otherwise go with the Focal 2-ways in the factory locations. Find More Posts by bahmax. I have to really disagree. First I have to say, putting these speakers in the factory locations is a complete waste, they are ment to be custom mounted and extensivly tuned, your gonna spend all that money drop them in and leave 60 percent of what they can do out there.
Then I give the smoothness of the tweeter to focal, but seems to lack ophhh. I give the punch of the midbass to the q's and the ablity to play very low very smooth. Mid range, each is very good, i call that a tie. Theres the start. Send a private message to max'n out.
Visit max'n out's homepage! Find More Posts by max'n out. Originally posted by max'n out I have to really disagree. Originally posted by max'n out Then I give the smoothness of the tweeter to focal, but seems to lack ophhh. I'd mount the midrange in the kick and the midbass in the door. The idea is sound to buy the best of each, but it takes alot of time to blend them together meaning lots of tuning. Forget about the verbage. It's the same exact speaker wheather you call it a midbass midrange or woofer.
It's all in how you use it. Typically I like to start with as little in the chain as possible. But of course there are times 4 way is good to, and in fact thats what i plan to do in my M5. It's kinda up to you, if you really want more speakers and littler kicks usally then the 4 way is prob the way to go. Whether you go with either or, you need a 30 band eq so they can be tuned, and you can get your money out of them. I know what your thinking o great mo money.
Well yes but you will end up getting your moneys worth. Your prob looking at around and 2 days for the kicks, and 1, on the 30 band eq no matter which you get. Originally posted by max'n out It's kinda up to you, if you really want more speakers and littler kicks usally then the 4 way is prob the way to go. Out of curosity who is this shop? It is harder to tune Do you have a 30 band left right eq?
The point of a 3 way setup is to have a dedacated driver for each range. The point being to focus the sound out of each speaker, elimnating distortion, and very simply asking a speaker to do to much or to large of a range. Yes it could take 2 days or more. But yes you would see benifit I can't see why they think it does nothing.
I really think you may be talking with the wrong people or they just dont' wanna do it. If you buy either of these sets and stuff um in the factory locations it's a waste of at least 40 percent of what they can do, if not much more. Optimal placement is determind from listining in many places, a piller works, so does the kick, some times more untraditional spots work. As for wires A set of RCA's are not power wire And god the factory speaker wire would do?
It's like 60 gauge. Are you not amplifing these? I want complete details. Lay it all out there. I see this looks like the shop is leading you astray, and your leaving alot to chance. Originally posted by max'n out Out of curosity who is this shop? Originally posted by max'n out 1. Originally posted by max'n out Optimal placement is determind from listining in many places, a piller works, so does the kick, some times more untraditional spots work.
Alright Canada expect for maybe 2 names is beond my knowledge of shops. If you want every bit of your money out of the speakers yes you need a 30 band left and right eq.
If the piller does work, put it there. I run mine there, but they don't always, you or in this case your installer who if there worth anything needs to play around and see what will blend the best. If your gonna slam um in the door you'd be better off spending bucks on some componets, and at least that way, you get your moneys worth.
What would be better? First let me say the reason speakers come where they do is ease not because they sound good there. Better place is usally the kick panel, thats the typical place, and the one that requires the least amount of customizing.
THose are the basic wires. What amps are you going to run? One thing that is being forgotten about in this whole thing is that the has time correction. Placement is important, but when you have a manual tranny car as Speedemn does and use the dead pedal, kicks usually get in the way. The , in my setup, is biamping the Utopias and I am time aligning the mids separately from the tweets. The speakers are in the stock locations. Speedemn hasn't heard my car since the Utopias went in I have the 2 way , but I'm bugging him to listen to it.
Natural Sound's comment about choosing the 2 way over the 3 way Utopias is more a matter of 'value'. I've seen the work they do and they'll build you whatever you want. They're not afraid of spending the time to do what the customer wants and they are quite capable.
You just have to remember that when most people walk into a shop, they aren't looking to do a competition vehicle. They try to balance what the customer asks of them with what they think the customer actually wants to do. As I wasn't there to listen to the conversation between Speedemn and Scott, I can't judge what happened. I also think that speedemn would be spending a lot more money to get just a little more.
Originally posted by max'n out Alright Canada expect for maybe 2 names is beond my knowledge of shops. Send a private message to akrus. Visit akrus's homepage! Find More Posts by akrus. I understand about the dead pedel, I have an M5 it only comes in a stick.
Q in fact. It just takes a bit of work to make it fit. The head unit adjustments are great, but just think how much better it would sound if you had that and the right placement. The car will be listened to while it's in motion so the noise floor will be relatively high so I'm not too sure that the subtleties will be missed.
I've built a system that I'm extremely happy with. Is it the best system out there? Will I change anything? Oh, probably sometime in the future, right now though, I'm happy with it.
Again, a great deal of this comes down to what speedemn's intentions are.
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